On June 3, Scaling Up Community of Practice (CoP) hosted a webinar on working with NGOs that are collaborating with governments in Africa to scale and sustain innovative and evidence-based education programs. Meghan Mahoney, Director of Monitoring and Evaluation at CoP, highlighted Educate!'s experience tracking the scale and institutionalization of a skills-based education model in Rwanda and the sustainability framework she uses to guide this M&E work. Noam Angrist and Moitshepi Matsheng, co-founders of Young1ove, shared their experience working very closely with the Ministry of Education in Botswana to scale the Teaching at the Right Level approach and what they are learning about how to think about and measure institutionalization within government systems. Larry Cooley, Co-Chair of the M&E working group, kicked the session off by sharing an institutionalization tracker he and others have developed to help frame the session.